yus786 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 hey guys, bought a KM hookah a few months ago and its my first hookah.after x months i still dont get a good flavour from it, i can taste it abit but not as much as a mya hookah for example that my friend has.ive tried everything, a phunnel bowl, different flavours, different ways of packing yet still it doesnt taste as much as it should.ive even put the same bowl into another sheesha and it smoked just fine with loads of flavour.lots of smoke comes out but whats the point when you dont get flavour!ive trial'd and error'd with the flavour and the bowl and my conclusion is that its the hookah thats crap lol, ive tried tangiers, al fakher and starbuzz flavours all differently packed in normal mya bowls, phunel bowls and egyptian bowls! ive also tried diffferent heat management too!so what could be wrong here with the hookah?its a KM 22" fountain pipe, its defo legit bought from hookahshop.co.uk.regardsyus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 make a video and then i and many other members will tell you why your not doing so good lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Have you eliminated all the factors? It could be the hose. Try the hose on a different hookah.Have you washed it out? Scrub it down with a stem pipe cleaner, lemon juice, baking soda, vodka, alcohol rub, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yus786 Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 yep ive eliminated all the factors, havent tried a diff hose yet though but i doubt itl be that.ive cleaned it out and its still the same, not used lemon juice or anything, only scrubbed it with water.hmm i cant really be arsed making a video lol, i made a v.nice mya bowl with AF flavour in it and tried it on my hookah, could taste it abit, then tried it on my friends mya hookah and it was awesum!yus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 if you've literally removed a bowl you were smoking from the KM and placed it on another hookah and got flavor...then the only thing i can suggest is cleaning the KM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 water level? for that size hookah i would say put it about 1/2 inch up the downstem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yus786 Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 ok will try to wash and scrub it out once again later on today.the water level is usually an inch above the downstem.cant a hookah just be shít or is it always good if you prep it right?!yus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 well...yeah, a hookah can be crap...but, it doesn't have the ability to remove flavor from the smoke...if you were saying, i get little smoke and little flavor it would most likely be an airleak...however, you said you get lots of flavor from the same exact bowl placed on a different hookah...and you get lots of smoke but no flavor from the KM...so, the only thing i could see is maybe your hookah is dirty or even maybe you're using too much heat (producing a lot of smoke, but burning away the flavor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 i have a feeling its your hose..seeing as how you say you didnt try a different one id be willing to bet that it may be that. try a different hose on the hookah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 QUOTE (fineout @ Aug 4 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i have a feeling its your hose..seeing as how you say you didnt try a different one id be willing to bet that it may be that. try a different hose on the hookahim feeling either that or way too much heat, idk thats why i say video lol it would make things so much easier lol. but just try replacing everything, one by one and see if anything makes a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yus786 Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 ok ive just thoroughly cleaned the hookah out with baking soda and lemon juice.whilst i was doing it i noticed the ball bearing had gone brown (rust?!)but its all drying now and il give it another go tomorrowi dont think its the hose cos it was bought new and has only been used about 20 times.but il try and get hold of another hose to tryregardsyus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 if you use you check valve then the ball will turn colors from the smoke, thats normal just clean it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Honestly, as much as you seem to hate hearing it, I would say, like all the others, that either the hookah is dirty or your hose is ghosting. I remember having the same problem with my 34" KM ice. I was getting so pissed with it and finally, I smelled the hookah and it smelled like horrid. I gave it a good scrubbing and used backing soda and tried it again and it was perfect, even smoked better.I also remember awhile back getting flavor, but all bad flavor, I smelled my hose and notice my hose was ghosting like a bitch. I ran a ton of air through it and smoked a heavy, but good flavored shisha through it and it is a lot better.About your purge valve ball, my ball rusted just like yours. I thought scrubbing it would help, but it did not. I just put a plastic airsoft bb in there and it worked for a bit, but then I realized the seam was causing a leak. So then I had another idea. I have two piercings, cartilage on my ear and my tongue. Both are like 10-12 gauge or something like that, and I noticed the ball on the end of both of them was just about the same size as my purge valve bearing, so I just took the ball off one of my piercings and put if in the valve and it worked great, just had to make sure the little hole the stud screws in is either up or down, not to the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yus786 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) ok guys, an update on thisnow my hookah tastes like shit, it tastes nasty as hell! just a hint of flavour at the end and harsh for some reason with one 33m coal!i bought a new washable hose and it still tastes the samepacked a mya bowl with al fakher by sprinkling it in, finished just under the bowl rim and put some bacofoil ontop1 QL swift lite coalhookah was washed a couple of days ago with hot water and lemon juice and baking sodathe hose doesnt make a difference at allhopefully getting a new mya hookah in a few daysyus Edited August 15, 2009 by yus786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 if its not hose/hookah problem (which i dont think it is) you have a problem with your heat management or bowl prep. watch some AF videos on youtube and see if anything is different from how you pack it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yus786 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (fineout @ Aug 16 2009, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if its not hose/hookah problem (which i dont think it is) you have a problem with your heat management or bowl prep. watch some AF videos on youtube and see if anything is different from how you pack it.the thing is ive tried all the different types of bowl packing, followed video tutorials and everything, and ive tried various different bowls and different sheesha incl tangiers and starbuzzand the heat management should be ok too, on a standard mya bowl ive tried 1 and a quarter QL and still the same, and ive tried 1 QL. these are the quantitys ive used on a mya hookah and that smoked fineyus Edited August 16, 2009 by yus786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 QUOTE (yus786 @ Aug 15 2009, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (fineout @ Aug 16 2009, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if its not hose/hookah problem (which i dont think it is) you have a problem with your heat management or bowl prep. watch some AF videos on youtube and see if anything is different from how you pack it.the thing is ive tried all the different types of bowl packing, followed video tutorials and everything, and ive tried various different bowls and different sheesha incl tangiers and starbuzzand the heat management should be ok too, on a standard mya bowl ive tried 1 and a quarter QL and still the same, and ive tried 1 QL. these are the quantitys ive used on a mya hookah and that smoked fineyusHave you tried cutting the coal up into thirds and spreading it around the bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yus786 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) not really no, ive tried one half on each side but the same coal method works fine on a mya hookah and at my friends hookah bar they always use 1 QL swiftlite coal on a mya bowlyus Edited August 16, 2009 by yus786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 is there a metallic taste to it? that can fudge flavor, especially since you're using a quicklight coal.the quicklights are already screwing up your flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Smell everything that you are using. That should tell you what where the taste is coming from. Smell you hose, your shisha, your coal, your downstem, your hose port, your purge valve, your water, your bowl, EVERYTHING! If any of these smell like shit, that is your problem.I had this problem a long time ago, smelled the downstem on my hookah and realized that was the issue. Cleaned it and everything was fine. Happened again, smelled my bowl and turned out the bowl smelled bad. Washed it and was back to good sessions. Later it happened again, smelled my hose and noticed really bad ghosting, blew my hose out really good and was back in business. Suck plain air through your hose. Does it taste of anything? If so, is it bad? Suck air through your hookah without any baccy or shisha in it. put your mouth on the hose port and suck. next put your mouth were the bowl sits and suck. does anything taste bad? If any of your components smell or taste like shit, it will ruin you session. If none of this is the culprit, I would suggest getting different, natural coals. CH QLs are good. If you absolutely don't want to use coconut coals, use 3Ks they taste a bit like shit, but not TOO noticeable, especially if you have strong shisha. Also make sure your baccy doesn't smell like shit. If there are any shit smells from anything you are using, you will taste shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Oh, and it your hookah smells and taste fine after smelling it and sucking air through it, then getting a new one will not help in my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidglass Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 If all other cleaning methods fail, I occasionally tear a part of a magic eraser off roll it up and push it through my stem, you'd be surprised what it cleans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 QUOTE (liquidglass @ Aug 16 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If all other cleaning methods fail, I occasionally tear a part of a magic eraser off roll it up and push it through my stem, you'd be surprised what it cleans out.i gotta try that out one day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalGuY Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 yeh I had the same problem, my personal conclusion was it was a hose problem, when i sucked right out of the metal loads of flavour when i used the cursed KM hose it tasted like crap. The other thing i noticed is that a KM draws in a lot of air so I assume the heat management is a little different. hope that helps.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 QUOTE (PalGuY @ Aug 17 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeh I had the same problem, my personal conclusion was it was a hose problem, when i sucked right out of the metal loads of flavour when i used the cursed KM hose it tasted like crap. The other thing i noticed is that a KM draws in a lot of air so I assume the heat management is a little different. hope that helps..Draws in a lot of air? No hookah should draw in any air, except out of the bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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